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Hey everyone,

 

Just wondering your opinions on this. My scar has stretched all the way around by 5mm! Thats fairly wide now and I noticed it quite a lot in the mirror in certain lighting even tho I have left my hair long over the scar... that has helped disguise it.. but the stretched area is still visable. (I'm not worried about the redness above it as thats going to fade eventually)

 

I dont really want to waste donor hair to try and fill it in as I have heard that thats not always successful and uses a lot of donor (FUE). I would imagine it would need a lot but have no idea how many.

 

I was thinking about cosmetic tattoo'ing? shading with lots of very tiny dots so the scar doesnt stand out as a strip? I think I read this somewhere and it sounds possible.. but thought I'd see what you think or anyone know more about this.

 

Are there such things as cosmetic tattoo places that have done strip scars before in UK? Or even outside the UK.

 

ta.

 

 

Just found a few interesting Links to guys that have done this...

 

HERE and HERE

 

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What about when your hair goes grey and you have a line of blue dots all the way round your head <_< ? If you do do it, I would recommend getting the sort of tattoo that fades after a few years and not a permanent tattoo. How long post-op was it when your scar stretched?

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What about when your hair goes grey and you have a line of blue dots all the way round your head <_< ? If you do do it, I would recommend getting the sort of tattoo that fades after a few years and not a permanent tattoo. How long post-op was it when your scar stretched?

 

I concur that the tatooing is a last ditch idea, IMHO.

 

I also believe that until your laxity is completely shot and you have no option of reducing your scar, you should not fue grafts into scar tissue.

 

I believe that a few docs such as Dr. Rose, and more recently Dr. Feller who are noted closure specialists are the best to seek out in these instances.

 

Reducing your strip by 3mm would be a HUGE success and make a drastic difference and perhaps provide you with some peace of mind.

 

Please let us know how things are going and how your search goes.

 

Take Care,

J

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Scars can stretch, this is down to the patients phyisology. Dr Feller will have performed exactly the same closure on you as everyone else. The problem maybe along with your physiology that your previous uk surgery has hindered this last one <_<

 

Maybe cleaning it with a toothbrush wasn't such a good idea after all <_< :blink:

 

If your skin is prone to strectch ing them maybe feller could remove the previous strip and now knowning how you can strecth use internal stitching, staple cycle like on BAL. :)

 

My scar was very prominent until the redness faded. You will fine once the redness has all gone the scar will appear half the size though. Your hair is so short though i am not suprised you can still see the scar.

 

Regardless of the scar stretching what do you intend to do about the old Noble scar that couldn't be removed due to its position? This must dictate how short your hair can go not the new scar. Isn't there a section on the other side also?

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Once the redness of the scar which is still very visible calms down you will then be able to assess the scar more accurately. My scar appeared much larger when still red but once the redness had faded it was actually hard to find in places. :blink:

 

I am sure Dr Feller will do everyting to help once you have fully healed. :)

 

Wasn't your plan to FUE into those big nobel scars?

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Hey BHUK,

As mentioned wait it out before doing anything to your scar! I know a few who have loooked into Micropigmentation but it is only temporary. You will be suprised how the appearance of the scar can change over time once all the redness has gone and all the shockloss has had chance to recover. The scar will definitely be less apparent to you.

Scars can stretch especially with repair cases and yours was a pretty sever repair session on all accounts <_< . A very large number was needed interms of graft count to address the primary focus of the surgery the recipient area.

 

The Doc will have performed exactly the same tricho closure technique on you as he has so many which have left them with very minimal scars. Not being a virgin scalp though and requiring the number of grafts you did along with the removal of 90% on the old NOBEL scar will have potentially not helped your scar area - hence why some stretching has occured possibly.

Rather than FUE, Tatto'ing etc - Just wait it out and in several more months reassess as one the scar will have most definitely calmed down a great deal AND also you will have a great deal more growth on top - Hence buzzing your hair down on a grade 2# ;) Will not be as essentail to you as you will have a barnet - Grow the barnet. B)

 

I am more than happy to meet up with you in a few more months and give you my opinion on your hair/scar and relay info to Dr Feller so that he has all the info in order to cast a more accurate assessment on your situ and the best next step forward - if any is needed.

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Thanks guys, I will wait a while until the redness has faded away, but like i said... the redness isnt the problem that I am worried about.. there is a 5mm stretch under it all the way round. I know what you mean,its hard for me to let you guys see but when my hair grows longer, you may think it will look thicker. But with mine, the old grafts then regrow longer too, these get tangled around the new grafts and the growth is not looking very good at that point. I think i posted a few pics in the daylight last month with it longer and it was just transparent. I'll grow it again, take a few more pics and see how we go this month with it longer again. Also, this is strange, but when its longer the strip scar stands out even more. I think may be because the hair around it is thicker (darker) then and this exagerates it more.

 

But I find buzzing it and leaving hair longer over the scar makes a world of difference, and its like a weight lifted when i do that.. (not the weight of the hair! lol)

 

Martin, I dont think a baby soft toothbrush to very very gently clean around the staples was a problem as the area was soaks in warm water for 20 mins before and the cleaning was not like brushing you teeth! lol.. it was super gentle. After the staples were removed it was great.. it was 3 months afterwards I noticed it.

 

PB, I really noticed the scar had streched between 3 months and 6 months I think and not sure if its settled now. I can work wonders by leaving the hair longer over it and cutting around it considering its fairly wide.

 

It will be really nice to get to 10-12 months to asses this area at this time again.

 

 

Take care.

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BHUK i know what you mean about it standing out more if its longer. Before i shaved mine off, i used to keep it at a #4 or#5 (back/sides) if it got any longer it stood out for the same reason as yours, it was thicher above/below it. I also would take spex's advice about the pigmentation/tatooing, i have had this into my scars...9 times now and its still not very impressive, it just does not look right atall, and you really IMO should as spex said adn PB i think wait and see in so many months for the redness to go (which it will), then see where its at. I dont think it will bother you half as much when the edness has faded. Also you are still in a good position even if your not happy with it, you clearly have spex 100% on your side for help/suypport, and Dr. Feller who appears as good a doc as its possible to get, so you will be fine...me on the other hand am in the same position as you were...scarred and having to shave the p**** off every day, with nobody to help. You will be fine m8. I also understand what you mean about growing it long. Before i shaved mine off mine was the opposite...i could not have it short, because the p**** at the front were really thick and healthy, but just behind this all my hair was thin and dying, but if i did the same as you, go to america to get Dr. Feller to sort it out, i would have all these p**** gorwing at wierd angles, from various butchers, then really neat ones around it skilfully placed by a proper surgeon so you could visibly see between the two. You just need to be a bit patient m8, although after being butchered its almost impossible to do :angry: Good luck.

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My hair was looking scruffy - too long at the sides; which exaggerated the fact that I now have less hair on top (temporarily). My hair clippers have 7 grades on them but even the grade 7 is too short for me so I moved the guard beyond the scale and taped in on with duct tape and measured the distance and it was 2,5cm (1 inch). I buzzed my head all over with that and it now looks a bit better. The problem is now that although the scar isn't really visible, the difference between the length of hair around the scar and the rest of my hair is noticeable :unsure: While my hair was still damp after a shower I put my cap on so that my hair would dry pressed closely to my scalp and that seems to help cover the scar area a bit. I still have a few days before work so I'll take even more MSM :P I think that if I buzz my hair again to one inch after a few weeks, the hair around my scar and my HT #1 hair will have caught up and I should be back to normal after that.

 

BadHairUK, it sounds like the Noble pubes are ruining your life despite your great results from your Feller HT - why don't you go back to Dr Feller and get them removed and have a few FUE into your scar and get it over with? It probably wouldn't take that many grafts just to break up the scar enough make it unnoticeable. You can't grow your hair because of the Noble pubes and if you buzz it as short as you have been doing your scars are slightly visible. Of course if you had the Nobel pubes removed you would be able to grow your hair and the scars wouldn't be a problem. My first HT scar was 5mm in places but with hair at an inch long you couldn't see the scar at all. I could probably have gone much shorter without the scar being a problem but I don't like my hair that short.

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Guys.. u've hit the nail's on the head with u'r replies... a ditto all thoughts.

 

Its ok, I am waiting ... I did mention I am now waiting between 10 - 12 i think i said that..lol. But then when the redness has faded and things have moved along a bit further, then it can be assessed more. But I was really asking about the tattoo'ing but I now think that might be a mistake in the future. But no harm done as it was just a thought and interested in your comments as always.

 

Thanks for the advice.. always good to hear!

 

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Just took a quick pic.... i can only show the area that i am holding back the hair but its all the way around :(

 

at 7 months.. there was only an old scar at the back before from Nobel, but the new scar area around the sides where there was no previous scar has stretched 5mm as well both sides.

 

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Important to note here also which BHUK hasn't is the area highlighted is from the large noble scar that couldn't be got to. <_<

 

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You appear to have an angry ingrowing hair right on the scar. Get some distilled witch hazel on it.

 

The remainder of the scar is still red and very patchy in places from what can be seen. Maybe some delayed shock in and around the area. This will return in time.

 

 

 

Any scar stretching will be down to your skin and physiology unfortunately. Also your laxity from previous surgery will not have helped. <_<

 

 

 

See comparison pic: Use the pics to see different areas highlighted.

 

Red area is previous Nobel scaring that was too far out the safety zone to get too

Green is still shockloss by the look of it as very patchy. (will return)

Blue This area was heavily scared from previous nobel scar (wide) This area would have been the widest section removed to remove previous scar. Least laxity - prone to stretch more.I would be very suprised if it hadn't stretched.

 

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The scar is far from defined yet which is a clear sign that shockloss is still surrounding the scar <_< . Many have delayed shock around the scar. There is evidence that hair is in the scar trying to break it up also in various places. Trying to evalutate a strip scar at 7 months post op - a server repair session is premature but hey I can see your concerns - These with undoubtedly resolve a great deal over the next 4/5 months.

 

Assess your scar at 12 months and we will compare it to this 7 month. I think you will find there to be a dramatic difference.

 

Also BHUK i think it is very important at the point to address the FACT that you are a REPAIR patient. A repair patient has varaibles virgin scalps do not have. Your surgery was dictated to by YOU ultimately as there were obsticals in the way that needed to be addressed in a certain way. This unfortunately means that your scar in particular may not end up as a virgin scapls scar would, or even a repeat patients scar - This as i am sure you understand is down to the limitations your scalp presented due to previous poor surgery.

 

The fact it has stretched uniformly around the scar is a tale tale sign that your physiology has played a big role here.

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This scar is pretty much the same as mine. The fact that you had a badly closed insicion from previous surgery will mean that its almost certain that even though you had triclosure on your last HT the scar wont be as thin and neat as if it had been done on a virgin scalp. The scar is still red and this comes down to your own skin healing characteristics it will fade to white but in the worst case this could take a couple of years!

The main thing is that your hair is still short and when you have a strip HT you kind of give up your chances of every having short hair again. Just letting it grow out an extra grade or two could make all the difference in concealing the scar.

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Scar stretching is down to the patient's physiology - I looked into this after my daughter's scar from her knee surgery stretched to 1 cm wide leaving a massive ugly 20 cm * 1cm scar down her leg :angry: After the second attempt to fix it, the incision was sutured from the inside and from the outside and her knee was in a support for 6 weeks to prevent the skin from stretching. Her scar still stretched back to 1 cm wide. It depends on the amount of collagen and elastin your skin has and there isn't anything you can do about it (well if you get tested before the surgery you can get collagen injections to try and prevent stretching). Obviously the number of operations in the area will cause more tension that only makes things worse. My own scar stretched around 3 months post-op after my first HT but up until then it was a thin line. My new scar looks great at the moment but I suspect it will stretch after a couple of months - there's nothing I can do (or not do) to prevent it. It isn't a problem for me as I don't have my hair short but if you want to keep your hair that short the only thing you can do is wait a few more months to see the final outcome and get some FUE into the scar if need be.

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That is actually quite a bad scar, its very wide. I hope it is shock loss and it does grow back in time. I think with a scar that wide it will be difficult to get the back/sides looking right, too long and it will stand out, too short and it will stand out. I guess it is down to your scalp characteristics, if that were mine and its the same in 5-6 months, i would definately look into some kind of repair, i wish you all the best BH and sorry to be so negative i just try and be honest m8, good luck, and at least the front looks 1000 times better :)

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In several more months the scar will have settled and we will be able to see the actual outcome and based off that a plan of action can more accurately be determined - If one is needed. Before that time its impossible to speculate. The uniform stretch is a down to the physiology of the patient - This in mind maybe a more comprehensive approach around scar revison could be implemented. Staple cycle, internal stitches, etc - BUT this is still not fail safe as if BHUK and other patients are prone to stretch then they will stretch.

 

7 months is too early to assess a scar especially a repair/revised scar as BHUK's is.

In 4/5 month I will persoanlly meet with BHUK and assess the situ - scar and recipient :) Obviously if he wants to :) - I hope he does as a couple of cold beers are well overdue B) We can take some good pics together and send them over to the Doc for his assessment on the situ and advice.

 

Grow well in the mean time!!!

 

Here are BHUK scar pics 10 days post op after the staples were removed:

 

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Hi mate.. sorry to hear your scar has stretched. Because us repair patients have had chunks removed in previous "surgeries", we are more prone to stretching. Laxity and other characterisitcs also play a role. From my experience my scar began stretching at th 2-3 month mark and continued to about 8-9 months. To me you 5mm scar doesn't look that bad. The problem is you have buzzed your hair too short IMO.

 

It seems that these pluggy pubes cause more trouble than I imagined. It's prob the one thing I can count myself fortunate for missing out on. Having said that I have seen a lot of repair cases where those pluggy pubes actually help in reinforcing the hairline when grafts are put around it. Unfortunately, it seems that this isn't the case for you :angry:.

 

Like PB said, I would get all of those plugs removed. You may elect for FUE into the scar but you may want to add some more in the front so you might go for another strip in your next session, which is increasingly likely to give a stretched scar so you'll need to grow your hair longer to hide the scarring.

 

I had a 2.5 cm scar (that's been revised) and still have three 1.5 cm scars below it :ph34r: and I'm resigned to keeping my hair longer than I would like. The scars turn from being pink to a very pale pink and it kind of looks like you have weird hair loss at the back of your head.

 

As for tattooing, I remember BritishHairways telling me that he met someone who had that done on his scars. I'm not sure how it looks long term. With your hair colour, I'm not sure it would be wise but I might be wrong. I myself would ony consider it after trying everything else.

 

I think it's best to consult with Dr Feller when he comes here and see what he thinks.

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IMO you will never get the scar to be concealed at that short hair length :( Opting for more repair work will be expensive and probably wont yield much improvement. The best thing you can do is to grow your hair out another cm and I'm sure it will be invisible to anyone who is'nt specifically looking for it. Thats the only way you'll get any peice of mind. :unsure:

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Thanks for the superb support! I really like to hear these replies, the good, the bad.. and the truthful. Always get loads of good informed advice and I much appreciate it as well to hear and share your experiences.

 

Like a few people have said... its my own foundation that is to blame (I wasnt expecting this so it was a bit of a 'shock' to use a better word) so theres nothing I can do about it now that wont be a long task and possibly not even resolve it. I am still interested in the cosmetic tattoo thing.. I contacted this place... (I'll post link later!) just out of interest for the future. Obviously I am only finding out about this and not booking in! I have asked lots of questions and waiting the reply.. but I think it lasts about 4 years and then you retouch up the area for around about £400. I think I'd just get the 2 baldy scar spots done that stand out the most 1st as they will be easy to do and then I'll judge them.

 

I dont really want to waste any FUE into them as they are not always successfull... and i'll lose more donor. My A1 priority is my hair line and front 1/2 and maybe some in the crown at a later date.. I think this will actually be what i need to give me some resolve by thickening it all up as it needs a lot to over power those pubes, at the moment they rule the roost when it grows out (but I feel this is due to only being at 7 months! I dont have the thickness yet to cope with them yet...so this hopefully will change in another 4 months or so) I am a long way off as I am just in the waiting game for now, but I started this thread as I am waiting and it cant hurt to ask these questions in the mean time.

 

Like hairroot said at the end there... its possible i could still grow it a fraction and I think with a small bit of cosmetic tattooing in those 2 bald spots... it would disguise those bits at least with my clever way to grow the hair longer over the scar and blended around it (you may think my hair is all buzzed that short... it isnt... its an Inch longer over the scar all the way around and how I can get away with it this well). The hair being longer more all over wont make that much difference as i tried that already. But I can see why this may look buzzed to a grade 2 all over as its hard to see in the pics where I left it longer.. which is a good thing it doesnt look obvious.

 

But... I do hope it doesnt stretch anymore... so fingers crossed.

 

 

 

Cheers... time to get back on the famous HT rollercoaster again.

 

Laters.

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I think scarring is the main negative point about getting a ht, and you just have to live with it. I have had cosmetic tattooing as its not something i would recommend :ph34r: maybe it would be ok on you BH with hair a bit longer to disguise the ink? Good luck either way, and your scars could be a LOT worse, at least yours it a pretty much neat line, rather than the horrible tram line effect Norton gave me :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :ph34r:

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All you can do at the minute like you say is wait it out till 12 months. Personally I wouldnt fancy the cosmetic tattooing what if it doesnt look right.

 

 

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I am still interested in the cosmetic tattoo thing.. I contacted this place... (I'll post link later!) just out of interest for the future. Obviously I am only finding out about this and not booking in! I have asked lots of questions and waiting the reply.. but I think it lasts about 4 years and then you retouch up the area for around about £400. I think I'd just get the 2 baldy scar spots done that stand out the most 1st as they will be easy to do and then I'll judge them.

 

Your right FUE is a potential waste of donor and is very expensive too. Do let us know what you find out with the cosmetic tattoo place. I think I may consider having it done once I'm finished with my scar revisions. Having a tattoo done in the back of your hard does sound painful, though Jamie Fox has done had one done on his HT scar. I would only get it done by a quality tattooist. Could you send me a link of the place your checking out?

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