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Martin, I appreciate your comments, and will answer them objectively. It is not a case of being defensive but being objective and looking at the bigger picture.

 

The general feeling about BH on this forum is that it is not a viable option ethically or technically. Do not become defensive but I would suggest the reasoning is that the forum is predominately pro Feller, and as he does not recommend it as an option that is obviously going to be the consensus of those who have dealt with him. No different to your comment to Mike, your doc becomes God if you're happy.

 

If you read my post to gappy guy, I made no claims, but pointed out the basics of BH transplanting from a technical point of view. We do not claim to be a BH clinic, on the contrary if you read Dr Bisanga's protocol you will note that we have a strict basis for concidering BH as an option. Each case is looked at on it's merits, the patient correctly educated, patch test performed, a waiting period and then and only then is a decision is made. We do not necessarily extol the virtues of BH; but we do not flattly dismiss it as an option to patients' either.

 

We have perofrmed approx. 14 BH cases; all documented for research purposes and the patient; but I can not always publish results; not everyone gives permission and some it is not worth at this satge because it is too early to document objectively. In the same vien those Dr's who have performed BH tests and achieved poor results, why are these cases not more readily available for discussion? If we are in the business of probity and transparency it would be beneficial to understand all sides; and then and only then will we be totally informed, and you, the patient able to make an objective decision.

 

I was asked to publish a case, well 10 cases, I did, well one; not to convince people BH is great, but to show the results. If I had not been asked I would probably have never bothered. That said the 50 BH test yielded almost 50% growth at six months; I do not concider this poor growth at this stage. To suggest that the six months 1500 BH had little growth in my opinion is flat wrong. For you personally it may appear to be little growth; and a waste of time but to the patient concerned it is the difference between a bald head and the semblance of hair.

 

I will in the future post more BH cases when I feel they give a fair reflection and can be argued objectively from both sides.

 

I would like to raise a point to the cynics; just remember guys. If the first transplant was not performed some fifty years ago to mass critism then this and every forum regarding hair transplants would not exist and you guys would not be walking about with good heads of hair. Progress has to be made, it is not always beautiful or politically correct, and time will tell if it is viable in a big way; but try to be objective as to medical developments.

 

All the best

 

Phil

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How much proof do you need

 

More than just 1 case 6 months post op with little growth. Is this an unreasonable request? :huh:

 

Mikeuk, i understand why you feel the need to jump to the defence of the clinic which you recieved surgery at. But do you honestly feel that after only 1 documented case of BHT with little growth is enough proof for gappyguy and many other guys to invest heavily in it?

 

I will ask again, how many BHT cases has HDC performed and is this the only case you have documented proof of some growth.

 

I am playing devils advocate here. Please don't feel you have to get all defensive :)

Sorry :) But no one is being asked to invest in BHT the question was feasability I take my hat off to clinics

like HDC who dont give up at the first hurdle and try to invest time and resources perfecting a procedure

that isnt an obvious and instant money maker :)

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The general feeling about BH on this forum is that it is not a viable option ethically or technically. Do not become defensive but I would suggest the reasoning is that the forum is predominately pro Feller, and as he does not recommend it as an option that is obviously going to be the consensus of those who have dealt with him.

 

 

 

 

This old card of the "Feller patients". :)

 

I feel a touch of resentment in your tone.

 

This is Dr Fellers opinion on BHT indeed along with many other leading HTdoctors. Oh yeah I also have my own opinion along with others here....lets just let all the pictures do the talking i suppose for BHT, nuff said.

 

It is apparent you are giving it some on this forum and thankfully Mikeuk is here to help, all the best to you and HDC :)

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Your questions are answred and all you can pick up on a Feller statement, sad. What is this about, spin or a debate on a hair transplant procedure. I would have more respect if you picked holes in the BH question rather than veering it off on "resentment claim" and ignoring the points made.

 

Martin, do you have a problem with me "giving it some on this forum"? To date, I have posted pictures, answered questions, I believe informatively, never ducked an issue asked of me.

 

If this is what you call giving it some, providing variety, an option, possibly a different opinion, that can be contested for the benefit of educating. Sorry my friend, you are way off the mark; and as for Mike, here or not, I would still be here.

 

Phil

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I would have more respect if you picked holes in the BH question rather than veering it off on "resentment claim" and ignoring the points made.

 

 

 

Phill, chill out matey. The debate was about BHT and its feasibility.

I posted:

I presume this is the best documented case you have then? No cases prior to this one maybe so we can see evidence of more growth.

 

That wasn't actually answered. The answer from Mikeuk was

How much proof do you need

 

I replied:

More than just 1 case 6 months post op with little growth. Is this an unreasonable request?

 

 

Was it an unreqasonable request?

 

I also asked this question:

How many BHT procedures have HDC performed?

 

This one was answered, thank you.

 

You then responded with this comment:

 

The general feeling about BH on this forum is that it is not a viable option ethically or technically. Do not become defensive but I would suggest the reasoning is that the forum is predominately pro Feller, and as he does not recommend it as an option that is obviously going to be the consensus of those who have dealt with him. No different to your comment to Mike, your doc becomes God if you're happy.

 

Which i thought was a little lame really, but hey if you think all the guys here that like Feller believe exactly what he says is true, then you are mistaken. We actually have our own opinions, like you have yours.

Your questions are answred and all you can pick up on a Feller statement, sad.

If you think i'm sad, you think i'm sad.

Thanks for answering all my questions and before Mikeuk jumps on here to add his opinion about the forum and all us Feller guys, save your energey mate. :)

 

Martin, do you have a problem with me "giving it some on this forum"? To date, I have posted pictures, answered questions, I believe informatively, never ducked an issue asked of me.

 

No problem at all. We are all here to learn and the more information you can continue to provide the better for everyone :)

 

This topic has now gone so far off topic i'm sorry I asked the question in the first place.

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I would have more respect if you picked holes in the BH question rather than veering it off on "resentment claim" and ignoring the points made.

 

 

 

Phill, chill out matey. The debate was about BHT and its feasibility.

I posted:

I presume this is the best documented case you have then? No cases prior to this one maybe so we can see evidence of more growth.

 

That wasn't actually answered. The answer from Mikeuk was

How much proof do you need

 

I replied:

More than just 1 case 6 months post op with little growth. Is this an unreasonable request?

 

 

Was it an unreqasonable request?

 

I also asked this question:

How many BHT procedures have HDC performed?

 

This one was answered, thank you.

 

You then responded with this comment:

 

The general feeling about BH on this forum is that it is not a viable option ethically or technically. Do not become defensive but I would suggest the reasoning is that the forum is predominately pro Feller, and as he does not recommend it as an option that is obviously going to be the consensus of those who have dealt with him. No different to your comment to Mike, your doc becomes God if you're happy.

 

Which i thought was a little lame really, but hey if you think all the guys here that like Feller believe exactly what he says is true, then you are mistaken. We actually have our own opinions, like you have yours.

Your questions are answred and all you can pick up on a Feller statement, sad.

If you think i'm sad, you think i'm sad.

Thanks for answering all my questions and before Mikeuk jumps on here to add his opinion about the forum and all us Feller guys, save your energey mate. :huh:

 

Martin, do you have a problem with me "giving it some on this forum"? To date, I have posted pictures, answered questions, I believe informatively, never ducked an issue asked of me.

 

No problem at all. We are all here to learn and the more information you can continue to provide the better for everyone :)

 

This topic has now gone so far off topic i'm sorry I asked the question in the first place.

Whoaaaa steady on old chap " before MikeUK jumps in " a bit harsh dont you think ?

seems you really dont want answers to your questions if you get the answers and cant accept them

or disbelieve them your just chasing your tail and arguing for the sake of it FYI i dont jump in i have valid questions and points to raise or am i rocking the boat too much for you :)

Iwould also like to add that if you check back on all the posts you will find that the general attitude towards me has been cold to say the least , yes i do hammer a point home but only if i'm correct I wont be shut up

just because im not a Fellerett ( no offence to DR Feller i have great respect for his work ) I live in a democratic society in which i believe freedom of speech is imperative for the growth of any Nation or individual I chose HDC because IMHO they have the very best surgeons in Europe - not just one doctor but three a great backup team and the very best aftercare , I dont expect you or anyone else to agree with me , I mean you wouldnt admit that maybe you could have made a better choice even if you thought so

Yes i have ruffled a few feathers and upset a few members , but hey I thought it was ok because it says welcome on the top of the page , now i dont think i have broken any forum rules unless free thinking and

having another opinion count , another thing that really bugs me is how you guys always play the "( its gone too far off topic card )" when the debate gets a bit too hot for you . I have tried having a laugh and a joke using the BB CODE to let you know things were said in fun . I refuse to be shut up , You can ban me " for no good reason " that will certainly prove that Facism is alive and well on this forum , be cool . :) Now ive had my little rant , and as the King would say thanku vurrry vurrry much . B)

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I hate to throw gas on the fire, but come on. How much proof do we need? How about ANY?

 

The reason you don't see any truly successful BHT cases on forums like this one, is because there are no truly successful BHT cases.

 

Martin's question is a valid one: how many BHT cases has HDC done? Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands? Where are the results? WHERE ARE THE RESULTS?

 

Clearly, every clinic will show you pics of multiple patients (or even arrange for you to meet them) for strip or FUE - why not with BHT? Because there are no cosmetically significant, successful BHT cases. How can this be if so many clinics are performing it, and have been for some time now?

 

Face it, BHT doesn't work. If it did, some clinic, somewhere, would be able to show some cases (and preferably multiple cases) to back it up. The fact that no clinic ever does this speaks volumes.

 

The fact that some clinics continue to charge outrageous sums of money for this obviously unproven procedure speaks volumes more.

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The general feeling about BH on this forum is that it is not a viable option ethically or technically. Do not become defensive but I would suggest the reasoning is that the forum is predominately pro Feller, and as he does not recommend it as an option that is obviously going to be the consensus of those who have dealt with him.

 

 

Yeah, we need him to make up our opinion on the subject. Its only Dr Feller that thinks BHT isn't viable ..so thats what we have to think. Contrary to all the BHT results out there :)

 

not everyone gives permission

 

What a shame :)

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I hate to throw gas on the fire, but come on. How much proof do we need? How about ANY?

 

The reason you don't see any truly successful BHT cases on forums like this one, is because there are no truly successful BHT cases.

 

Martin's question is a valid one: how many BHT cases has HDC done? Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands? Where are the results? WHERE ARE THE RESULTS?

 

Clearly, every clinic will show you pics of multiple patients (or even arrange for you to meet them) for strip or FUE - why not with BHT? Because there are no cosmetically significant, successful BHT cases. How can this be if so many clinics are performing it, and have been for some time now?

 

Face it, BHT doesn't work. If it did, some clinic, somewhere, would be able to show some cases (and preferably multiple cases) to back it up. The fact that no clinic ever does this speaks volumes.

 

The fact that some clinics continue to charge outrageous sums of money for this obviously unproven procedure speaks volumes more.

He up BaldinginMD I hate to throw water on your gas but HDC quote (We have perofrmed approx. 14 BH cases; all documented for research purposes and the patient; but I can not always publish results; not everyone gives permission and some it is not worth at this satge because it is too early to document objectively. In the same vien those Dr's who have performed BH tests and achieved poor results, why are these cases not more readily available for discussion? If we are in the business of probity and transparency it would be beneficial to understand all sides; and then and only then will we be totally informed, and you, the patient able to make an objective decision. ) :) ps I'm not jumping in just pointing out :)

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I admit that I did not see that answer (14 BHT cases) before writing my response, but it is rather telling that this is the only sentence in my entire response that you chose to respond to.

 

If one were asked to find 20 successful strip cases, it would be a breeze. If asked to do the same for FUE, same thing - no problem. Why is it not similarly easy to do the same for BHT? Because it does not work.

 

Some clinics, however, continue to charge HUGE sums of money for a procedure that they know does not work. You may find that defensible, I do not.

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The general feeling about BH on this forum is that it is not a viable option ethically or technically. Do not become defensive but I would suggest the reasoning is that the forum is predominately pro Feller, and as he does not recommend it as an option that is obviously going to be the consensus of those who have dealt with him.

 

 

Yeah, we need him to make up our opinion on the subject. Its only Dr Feller that thinks BHT isn't viable ..so thats what we have to think. Contrary to all the BHT results out there :)

 

not everyone gives permission

 

What a shame :)

You know last year I wanted my eyes treated with laser surgery so i did my research and chose Optimax

The UKs no 1 eye laser clinic who at the consultation told me that firstly i wasnt a good candidate for laser surgery i had an age related eye condition and they diddnt think i would benefit from lasek treatment which was what i needed then on a forum much like this one i read about Optical Express i called them set up a consultation and one month later i had perfect vision via lasek treatment Optical Express couldnt understand why the Optimax clinic refused me turns out at that time their surgeon only performed lasik and not lasek surgery

lasek requires creating a flap in the cornea raising it up laser treating the eye and replacing the flap

lasik is less invasive and requires scraping the surface of the eye and applying the laser

so you see where i,m going with this in relation to this post because one doctor doesn't do it

it doesn't mean it cant be done i wore glasses for 20years i dont anymore .

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Well slap my ass and call me Judy :)

 

Mikeuk has nailed it .....

 

 

Balding.... let it go ! :huh:

Hey Judy it was an analogy look it up in the dictionary under Dohhh :) Now bend over :)

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Cute analogy.

 

Now go find 20 successful cases of BHT.

 

You know, the subject we had been discussing...

 

:huh:

Thought it was Ten :)

 

Cute analogy.

 

Now go find 20 successful cases of BHT.

 

You know, the subject we had been discussing...

 

B)

Thought it was Ten :)

Ive Got a great analogy about King dong but i'm saving that one :)

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I admit that I did not see that answer (14 BHT cases) before writing my response, but it is rather telling that this is the only sentence in my entire response that you chose to respond to.

 

If one were asked to find 20 successful strip cases, it would be a breeze. If asked to do the same for FUE, same thing - no problem. Why is it not similarly easy to do the same for BHT? Because it does not work.

 

Some clinics, however, continue to charge HUGE sums of money for a procedure that they know does not work. You may find that defensible, I do not.

Im right with you on that one i dont defend that principle at all :)

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I'll settle for five.

 

Five successful, cosmetically significant BHT procedures. Surely you will have no trouble with that.

 

After all, if one could not find even five such cases, I'm sure that no reputable clinic would continue to charge thousands upon thousands of dollars to perform them.

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anyone with 80+ posts in under 2 weeks has got a hidden agenda imo.

 

yes i do hammer a point home but only if i'm correct I wont be shut up

 

you obviously know nothing about bht

 

you also seem to have a very high opinion of yourself

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anyone with 80+ posts in under 2 weeks has got a hidden agenda imo.

 

yes i do hammer a point home but only if i'm correct I wont be shut up

 

you obviously know nothing about bht

 

you also seem to have a very high opinion of yourself

Your'e absolutely right i dont know anything about BHT but how wonderfull would it be if it became a viable option .

Yes I do have a high opinion of myself Dont You ? if not why not ? I also have quite a few freinds who have a high opinion of me and I think very highly of them too, dont take me wrong hairless i'm not a big head by any means and if i come off that way its not intentional but i do believe in fighting your own corner

and standing up for what you believe in if you knew me you would find me a very freindly and generous person i just cant stand the glass is half empty mentality , i would much rather be a happy optimist than

a miserable fatalist , how do you stand half empty or half full :)

 

I'll settle for five.

 

Five successful, cosmetically significant BHT procedures. Surely you will have no trouble with that.

 

After all, if one could not find even five such cases, I'm sure that no reputable clinic would continue to charge thousands upon thousands of dollars to perform them.

Hey man you'll have to ask phil i had a strip HT i know sod all about BHT :D

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anyone with 80+ posts in under 2 weeks has got a hidden agenda imo.

 

yes i do hammer a point home but only if i'm correct I wont be shut up

 

you obviously know nothing about bht

 

you also seem to have a very high opinion of yourself

Ok smarty pants what hidden agenda could i have i'm 8 weeks into a HT i dont have any significant results

to brag about . I dont owe Phil or HDC anything but gratitude i'm a fully paid up member of the new hair club I dont believe in crop circles Aliens or Vampires , i dont recieve messages from outer space and i dont believe the moon landing was faked so instead of wasting your time and mine , if you have a point you'd like to make or an accusation you'd like to level at me , be a man and spit it out :)

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And, at last, this forum's most useless resident has poked in. Good to see you.

 

As for the discussion at hand, as I said, I'll settle for five decent results. After a few hours, we've seen zero. Which is the norm anytime someone asks to see decent BHT results.

 

It's not really about half-empty or half-full. It's about results. I would love for BHT to work, it would help a lot of guys. But wishing doesn't make it so. I would love for hair cloning and all the rest to become reality. I would love to see a magic pill cure all MPB, but that doesn't make it real.

 

Now, if I sold you sugar pills and told you it was a magic pill that cured MPB, that would be about as ethical as charging thousands of dollars for a BHT procedure.

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And, at last, this forum's most useless resident has poked in. Good to see you.

 

As for the discussion at hand, as I said, I'll settle for five decent results. After a few hours, we've seen zero. Which is the norm anytime someone asks to see decent BHT results.

 

It's not really about half-empty or half-full. It's about results. I would love for BHT to work, it would help a lot of guys. But wishing doesn't make it so. I would love for hair cloning and all the rest to become reality. I would love to see a magic pill cure all MPB, but that doesn't make it real.

 

Now, if I sold you sugar pills and told you it was a magic pill that cured MPB, that would be about as ethical as charging thousands of dollars for a BHT procedure.

Well done mate you sound just like me :D gotta luv ya

PS how much for the sugar pills i'm back off to the middle east soon you can sell anything there , i'll split it with you . but Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh keep shtum about it :)

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Guys sorry to join in here but unless Im mistaken this forum is to help people with a common problem "losing hair". And this actual section is where people can read and form views on HTs. So why is it everyone is getting so heated??? Im just waiting for the classic line "well my HT is better than your HT" lol

 

Come on guys lets just read the information and form your own opinions. Feller is no God, no one is.... but what he can do is perform Hair Transplants to a very high standard. He is one of the good guys and certainly no butcher. But lets not get blinkered on this...there are many good doctors out there who perform Hair Transplants to the same standard. Lets be constructive rather than try to discredit other new members who are only sharing their own experiences...

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Guys sorry to join in here but unless Im mistaken this forum is to help people with a common problem "losing hair". And this actual section is where people can read and form views on HTs. So why is it everyone is getting so heated??? Im just waiting for the classic line "well my HT is better than your HT" lol

 

Come on guys lets just read the information and form your own opinions. Feller is no God, no one is.... but what he can do is perform Hair Transplants to a very high standard. He is one of the good guys and certainly no butcher. But lets not get blinkered on this...there are many good doctors out there who perform Hair Transplants to the same standard. Lets be constructive rather than try to discredit other new members who are only sharing their own experiences...

Well said thank you

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BH is used to reconstruct and repair previous hair transplants when, and only when there is no option but to look at other areas of the body to harvest from because the scalp donor has been exausted; and each case is looked at on it's merits.

 

We have a protocol that we follow. Body hair is a last resort and only considered if all avenues have been exhausted. I believe donor management and the use of BH is only undertaken after extensive education of the patient. It is ethical to always patch test a small amount of BH and look at the yield potential at about six months before any decision is made to continue. We do not charge for the BH test.

 

"If one were asked to find 20 successful strip cases, it would be a breeze. If asked to do the same for FUE, same thing - no problem. Why is it not similarly easy to do the same for BHT? Because it does not work."

 

This stands to reason because BH is a last resort; fortunately we do not find many cases where the scalp donor has been compromised to the extent that BH has to become a topic for discussion.

 

This is not a question of does it work or doesn't it; this is medicine; it is not an exact science; and in this case you are never dealing with virgin scalps; The patient has gone through great traumas to the skin tissue, his donor has been so seriosuly compromised to the extent any substantial amount of hair is impossible to harvest.

 

So, what would you suggest, call it a day; do not try to help; do not look at every avenue to reconstruct or repair. If the medical world lived by this philosophy no progress would ever be made. Is it fair not to give a person the chance to improve on their condition, when they are in possession of all the facts; a cancer patient given a 20% chance of recovery still undergo therapy (chemo & radio - therapy) is this ethical, or should they be given no chance or choice. Psychological trauma is relative to the condition, I am not comparing the stress caused by a life threatening disease, but that in no way detracts from the emotional stress that occurs through hair loss, especially in severe repair cases.

 

Progress has to be made, it is not always beautiful or politically correct, try to be objective as to medical developments. I seem to remember such debates about FUE a few years ago.

 

For the record, we charge less for BH than many charge for scalp FUE.

 

Phil

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Hi Phil, thank you for answering my original questions on the other post, this one has gone way off track again!, personally i respect you guys for coming on here and posting some results, knowing full well that they are going to be up for some very critical debate.

 

I like what you say that you will ONLY use it as a last resort and that you carry out the test patch for free, what everyone says is correct that in general bh is not going to produce the yield or cosmetic difference that 95% of people would be happy with, thats because 95% of patients have better options to use, in the case of orange juice, i can totally understand why he decided on giving bh a go, if his pics are 6 months then he still has a good chance of having a moderate / good result, would i be happy with it? no, but i have not come from the same place as OJ has with respect.

 

I really don't think HDC are the bad guys here, they are saying that body hair is available through them if it is a last resort, and only after a test to see if it works for that individual, they are not pushing it on virgin donors to experiement on them like guinea pigs, like some other bh surgeons seem to be doing.

 

To be fair you bh prices quoted on your site are pretty fair, a virgin donor nowadays would never have the need to resort to bh because any good surgeon would use his donor wisely, but there are a hell of a lot of repair cases who would consider bh to look normal again once their donor is exhausted.

 

 

 

Gasman- your post was right on the nail, we are all here for the same reason, lets try to remember that.

 

Oh and Feller is not the new messiah..............he's a very naughty boy! :)

 

Sorry guys couldn't resist that gag

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The general feeling about BH on this forum is that it is not a viable option ethically or technically. Do not become defensive but I would suggest the reasoning is that the forum is predominately pro Feller, and as he does not recommend it as an option that is obviously going to be the consensus of those who have dealt with him.

 

 

 

 

This old card of the "Feller patients". :)

 

I feel a touch of resentment in your tone.

 

This is Dr Fellers opinion on BHT indeed along with many other leading HTdoctors. Oh yeah I also have my own opinion along with others here....lets just let all the pictures do the talking i suppose for BHT, nuff said.

 

It is apparent you are giving it some on this forum and thankfully Mikeuk is here to help, all the best to you and HDC :unsure:

Dont know if you can view the Pictures you may have to visit the site just click on the International hair transplant logo in the top left corner, and see another view on BHT

Body_hair_loss_14_month_growth_results.htm

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