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Pondle
QUOTE(hammerman @ Aug 29 2006, 02:57 PM) *

Guys what is this cafien shampoo?
Does it really work?

and I understand that Finasteride works by targeting the 5 AR, is there anything which gets rid of the DHT and not just stops it from producing??

Thanks


Well, if you actually want to eliminate your male hormones entirely, your only option is castration! blink.gif
Eunuchs do not go bald. On the other hand, they never have children. Or sex. Or even masturbate. So scratch that idea!

According to one study I saw cited (somewhere, can't dig out the link this late in the evening) most balding men and their hirsute peers - apart from a few of the latter with a 5 AR deficiency - have the same levels of DHT. But those of us unfortunate enough to suffer MPB appear to have hair follicles that are more sensitive to it.

As for the caffeine shampoo, I doubt it really does much. The MPB community as a whole seems more impressed by copper peptides - search for Folligen or Tricomin.
PB_
biggrin.gif But weren't eunuchs castrated before they reached puberty? If you are already showing signs of MPB, castration would only prevent further loss and wouldn't re-grow lost hair dry.gif
QUOTE(Pondle @ Aug 30 2006, 11:36 PM) *

Well, if you actually want to eliminate your male hormones entirely, your only option is castration! blink.gif
Eunuchs do not go bald. On the other hand, they never have children. Or sex. Or even masturbate. So scratch that idea!
Johnny-X
hey guys im new here and the more i read the more confusion I feel ha ha ha
1st off may i wish many thanks to spex really has given everyone here a great deal of information and without your help i would have given up on my hair loss along time ago .

im in my mid 20s and notice im thining so im going to get on the big 3 in the next month or so can some one answer me a few questions ?

what is the differance between Proscar and PROPECIA and why on the 15 month supply for £120.00 on spex site must this pills be split in to 5ths ? what is the best way of spliting them without losing most of the pill?


where can i get hold of some Nizoral shampoo the boots link on this site didnt work and which one should i go for ? same for Minoxidil where can i get some from ?

should i wait for all to arrive and take them 2gthere ?

where could i also get the following MSM-Zinc pills and copper peptides e.g Folligen or Tricomin ?

Please does some one have ne links for these im at my wits end !

JPC im also take part in alot of sporting activity and i am worried that this may add dht on mpb's. i see you havent posted for a while wounding on how your getting on ?

P.S ne side effects when taking the above and drinking cos i love to go out and party ? ha ha ha

Thank you all for your help and hope to hear soon smile.gif
spex
Proscar is 5 mg Finesteride / Propecia is 1mg Finesteride

Break Proscar into 5th's - Bobs your uncle you have got Propecia wink.gif Can easily be cut into 5ths with a knife - I just bite mine into 4th's - As long as its in the system, all good!

Google Nizoral and you can get it on line - Asda also sell it!

Minoxodil link on my website under products wink.gif

Link to Minoxodil direct

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P.S ne side effects when taking the above and drinking cos i love to go out and party ?


There can be some initail sides from propecia/proscar these usually subside after a few weeks, loss in libido - Ride it out as the body is just getting used to the drug and will soon adjust. These sides are rare but can happen.

You may experience some initial shedding from the products -Shedding

There may also be side effects from drinking - The more you drink the more you will fall over wink.gif Also the more you drink the better looking girls will get wink.gif

All the best!!

Spex
Johnny-X
Spex you are the best !! cheer for your help brother ! the more you drink the pretty girls get HA HA HA cracked me up that did ! cheers again ill update my self when i get my hands theses cures !

thank you !
Pondle
QUOTE(Johnny-X @ Aug 31 2006, 01:25 PM) *


where could i also get the following MSM-Zinc pills and copper peptides e.g Folligen or Tricomin ?

Please does some one have ne links for these im at my wits end !

JPC im also take part in alot of sporting activity and i am worried that this may add dht on mpb's. i see you havent posted for a while wounding on how your getting on ?

P.S ne side effects when taking the above and drinking cos i love to go out and party ? ha ha ha

Thank you all for your help and hope to hear soon smile.gif


MSM - Holland & Barrett.

Tricomin - http://www.tricotec.co.uk/tr/tricotec/inde...FTOKEN=39415711

or

http://www.combat-hair-loss.co.uk/tricomin/index.php

Folligen - I'm don't think this is available in the UK.

It's worth noting that MSM and copper peptides aren't scientifically proven, but some guys find them useful additions to their anti-hairloss regimen.

As far as I'm aware there's no interaction between Finasteride and alcohol consumption or exercise.
hammerman
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Well, if you actually want to eliminate your male hormones entirely, your only option is castration! blink.gif


Aren't you eliminating DHt anyway by not allowing it to form?? Wouldn't it be quicker to have something which removes DHt from the system?

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"According to one study I saw cited (somewhere, can't dig out the link this late in the evening) most balding men and their hirsute peers - apart from a few of the latter with a 5 AR deficiency - have the same levels of DHT. But those of us unfortunate enough to suffer MPB appear to have hair follicles that are more sensitive to it.


What about direct injections into the scalp to get rid of the DHT?
I know you would need them regularly but they do it for Alopecia Areata with the steroids.

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copper peptides - search for Folligen or Tricomin.


Too expensive.
Pondle
QUOTE(hammerman @ Sep 5 2006, 11:32 AM) *

Aren't you eliminating DHt anyway by not allowing it to form?? Wouldn't it be quicker to have something which removes DHt from the system?


The best DHT suppression we can get at the moment is 93% after two years of treatment with Dutasteride.

QUOTE(hammerman @ Sep 5 2006, 11:32 AM) *
What about direct injections into the scalp to get rid of the DHT? I know you would need them regularly but they do it for Alopecia Areata with the steroids.


A regular injection into the scalp? Ouch, sounds painful. Besides, I'm not sure of the process by which your technique would operate to 'remove' DHT. There is a common misconception that scalp DHT causes baldness. In fact, the overwhelming majority of the damage is done by the DHT produced by 5 alpha reductase type II enzymes inside the hair follicles. This combines with testosterone that is delivered to the follicle on plasma proteins in the bloodstream and, voila, you have DHT.

Of course you could be saying that an injection could inhibit the androgen receptors in the hair follicles? I'm not a biochemist, so I don't know whether such a treatment would be feasible.
Johnny-X
Hey guys i just ordered my Propecia from dr ashcroft should arrive next week some time !
really cant wait to get on it and fight back the mpb ! my hair is mid lengh now and my thinning is notice able in the front and mid areas its been getting me down as i dont have the confidents ne more to meet or talk to new girls sad.gif .

i will be taking/using the following in the coming weeks Niz shampoo and msm powder ?
Is msm better in a pill or powder ?
I also hear vitamin B is good ? is that true how should i take that in pill form or will i get enought of it from a everyday multi vitimin pill ?

as i will be using Nizoral’s shampoo i have also been using Loreals regenium xy thickennig shampoo i found this useful as every day use i did notice a small amount of thickenning but nothing much .

i hear good things about Nanothik Swell 'n' Coat Formula ? how could i use all these shampoo e.g i shower every day i would use the loreal shampoo everyday , nizoral 2 times a week what about the Nanothik Swell 'n' Coat Formula ? or am i doing too much ?

Should i shave my head when starting the use of the about products to not show the effects of shedding is it 100% if the product works i will have some shedding ?

Also how much on avarage does A fuller HT cost ? basic figures im looking at something to aim for ?


Thanks ever so much for your help everyone i would be so lost without you all smile.gif

Thank you
qwerty
So is it true that castration would stop hairloss? I have my Stanley knife right here. ohmy.gif
spex
Ouch! ohmy.gif
qwerty
No I think I'll hang onto my big 2 and look into the 'big 3'. tongue.gif
I'm very close to trying Nizoral alongside the Proscar that I started 10 days ago but have read stories suggesting that it may cause further damage to some peoples hair, is there any point in me trying the Nizorelle first or is it not strong enough? Same with Minoxidil, how many of you guys have had satisfactory regrowth from it?
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