Ive mentioned on these forums b4 but i want to say another problem with propecia...apart from the fact that they make you (made me) loose interest in sex and grow small breasts (which luckily have now gone), if anyone is planning on having kids you can forget it...correct me if im wrong but they are so powerful (and harmful) that they can deform a foetus, and if a pregnant woman even touches them she can loose the baby, So if you (and your partner) ever want to try 4 a baby, you will HAVE TO stop using it, and if it has done ANYTHING ATALL, it will be lost very, very quickly...is it really worth it? NO IT ISNT!

complete rubbish

wrong section anyway jaym

oops!

I have had 2 very healthy children whilst taking proscar. Not an issue. I also never grwew man boobs.

There is a great deal of info on this topic on the various forums and it is now established after much speculation that taking propecia bares not significance on the health of your child.

It may lower sperm counts and its strongly advisable to keep pregnant ladies away from it as it is strongly advisable to keep them away from playing with traffic on the M25

I must admit i have never experienced those side effects either. Sorry to here that you don't agree with it Propecia/Proscar Jaym as it can be a valuable weapon against DHT

I have come across many guys who have concieved children whilst taking Propecia /Proscar and their children were all healthy. Dr Ashcroft who perscribe Proscar to many guys also concieved a few kids whilst on it.

There was a study on this somewhere which i will try find although Pondle is good with this stuff and might be able to find you some accurate info on it before i do.


All the best.

BUT...there is a link with propecia and unborn babies, maybe there is no "hard proof" but there is a link...i have 3 children and wouldn't take any meds which say "keep away from pregnant women, this is from tht wikipedia..."Finasteride is in the FDA pregnancy category X. This means that it is known to cause birth defects in an unborn baby. Women who are or who may become pregnant must not handle crushed or broken finasteride tablets, because the medication could be absorbed through the skin. Finasteride is known to cause birth defects in a developing male baby. Exposure to whole tablets should be avoided whenever possible" or see this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propecia and look under side effects. I understand people arguing with me over this but im not making it up! It also says the following: "However, the cancers that developed in the men taking finasteride looked like they were more likely to grow and spread. The reason for this is not known." make what you want from that...

On top of the above messgae i would like to add the following also taken from wikipedia "Propecia (and other products containing finasteride) cause a rise in testosterone levels because testosterone that would normally be converted into DHT remains testosterone. Continual high levels of testosterone in the body could possibly have negative side effects.
Artificially low levels of DHT in the body could cause some unwanted conditions. DHT is an antagonist of estrogen. Men’s bodies also produce the female hormone estrogen in the adrenal glands, although this is just one-tenth of the estrogen that premenopausal women produce in their ovaries. By reducing DHT with drugs, a man’s protection from the effects of estrogen may also be reduced. This could result in gynecomastia.

Gynecomastia is this:

Nice rack

Does this occur to 100% of users ............NO.
1% .................................

If you do experience side effect from taking propecia then its very simple, just STOP taking it



Pretty sweeping statement don't you think ...

Then you say...


I think this is what you should have stated initailly rather than telling everyone that if you even look at propecia you will automatically grow tits and have deformed babies

I think yet again jaym before posting do some reading

I have been on Proscar over a year and have had absolutely no sides. Your statements are a little biased don't you think. I mean look at your experience with the UK butcher shops. Now you think noone should ever get a HT......... ..............

1%? Wheres that statistic from? Even if its only 1%, it may as well be 100% if it happens to you...and given the fact that..."Finasteride is taken orally and has a reported 29–68% success rate (vs 17-45% in patients receiving a placebo).", is it worth it, it actually worked in placebo form on 45% of people compared to just 68% actually taking it, we may aswell eat smarties and hope for the best...! If it works for you good, but has it actually made you grow new hair?

Jaym is an unlucky guy, one of the small percentage of men taking Propecia who experience serious side effects. Understandably he feels pretty negative about the drug However, his experience needs to be placed in context. Sides only trouble a small proportion of Propecia users, and Jaym is totally unjustified in constantly claiming that the drug doesn't work and/or afflicts everyone with impotence or breasts.

As regards the safety issue vis-a-vis men on Propecia either making a woman pregnant or having unprotected sex with a woman who is already pregnany, check this out - http://emc.medicines.org.uk/emc/assets/c/h...=3680#PREGNANCY

Nowt to worry about, apart from STDs of course!



Jaym, I've posted the accurate stats from the Propecia 5-year trial several times already.

Like I said on the other thread, we have robust data from the Propecia 5-yr trial which proves long-term efficacy. Measures of hair counts in a 1-inch diameter circle at the vertex showed that Propecia works for most men: 65% of those treated had increased hair count by Year 5, while all men on placebo lost hair.

Another assessment technique, photographic assessment, showed that 90% of the men treated with Propecia had improvement or no visible hair loss (48% of patients improved, 42% had no visible hair loss) vs 25% of men on placebo (6% improved, 19% had no visible hair loss).

In clinical studies of one year, each drug-related sexual adverse event occurred in less than 2% of men treated with Propecia. Discontinuation due to drug-related sexual adverse experiences was 1.2% of those treated and 0.9% on placebo. Reported drug-related sexual adverse experiences included decreased libido (1.8% vs 1.3% placebo), erectile dysfunction (1.3% vs 0.7% placebo), and ejaculation disorders (1.2% vs 0.7% placebo), primarily decreased volume of ejaculate (0.8% vs 0.4% placebo).

Can we please let this one lie now?

The main purpose of taking Propecia/Proscar is to prevent further loss of existing hair, not to regrown hair.

Some people are very fortunate and are good responders to it and achieve regrowth but the main purpose of it is to STOP further loss.

I'm guessing EVERYBODY replying is on the drug, therefor you will defend it, rightly so, if i was spending all that money on it i would be annoyed at someone slagging it off! I suggest potential users should weigh up all the evidence, INCLUDING the link i put to wikipedia, im sure they are not making it up. I find it surprising that it worked on 65%, but 0% on placebo...i agree we should let this one lie though, its going round in circles! I just know i value my natural body hormones and health more than my hair...some things are more important...

LOL!



It costs me £120 for 15 months, a small price to pay to keep my hair. But your right lets let it go

Without wishing to continue dragging this out (although actually that's what I'm doing LOL) I'd say that while Wikipedia is a great place to start looking for information (and I've contributed to a few articles on there myself) you can't trust it completely - there is no quality check apart from other users interested in your subject, and a large amount of material on there is inaccurate, partial or doesn't cite sources. The article on Finasteride is OK-ish but could do with an update with the data from the 5-year study

Why do I defend Fin? Because it's worked for me without sides (ff it didn't work for me then I wouldn't continue buying it and I wouldn't advocate it) and because it's one of only two genuine clincally proven treatments that we have for hairloss. We know from robust research studies that it 'works' (in the sense of maintaining hair, or even regrowing a small amount) for over 80% of men. However, that still leaves a fifth who see no benefit, and a few who suffer sides - the drug is far from perfect.

I can understand and sympathise with those guys who find Fin a big disappointment because they continue to lose hair or suffer sides. That must be a real bummer. Bear in mind, however, that many drugs for different conditions have similar or worse efficacy and worse side effects than Fin. It's the nature of medical science.

I guess the only way to replace hair is transplants, the only way that is almost guaranteed to work...but then you need to be carefull who you go to...as ive said b4 on these forums, ive had them for many, many years and seen lots and lots of people with them, but yet to meet face-to-face a single person who doesn't regret it...but i guess they've not been to Dr. Feller...i mean there is some impressive pictures of his results, it seems everybody on this site had had transplants done from him for some reason, and theres not a single person who is unhappy with the results. Happy christmas everyone...

You have had them for many many years at all the wrong places as you now know. The reason you have yet to meet a person who didn't regret is because all the people you have met spoken with all went to a UK/European clinic............ am i right??

I have not had a HT with Dr Feller, but i plan to after months of research.


Jaym, have you met Spex yet to assess your situation. You can then at the same time inspect his hair and he can inform you of his entire journey with hair transplants.

I guarantee that if you lined 10 guys up with no hairloss and pop Spex in the line up you would not know which one he was. I guarantee it!!

Instead of constantly dwelling in how bad your situation is why don't you meet with someone that will defo be able to help you and potentially change your life for the better.

Helpme thanks 4 the advice, its kind of scary doing anything else...i will have to think, thanks.

jaym, i can only recommend meeting Spex as he is completely honest and will discuss all the options available to you. I discussed at great length with him my situation, meds, other reputable clinics etc

I found my meeting with him left me with a great deal of clarity about my situation. The fact is Spex will not try and sell you a HT. On the contrary, and i actually had to comment at one point that he wasn't doing a very good job of convincing me to have a HT.

He will discuss with you not just Dr Feller and how he resolved his personal situation but other reputable clinics like HW, Shapiro, Epstein and others.

Here is a post about my meeting with him.
http://stophairlossnow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=1671

Good luck with it all
Harry